Curse

Dantallion · Jan 30, 2010, 04:04 PM // 16:04

A while ago, I got a bit bored of the usual triple necro set-ups. Especially since I run a primary derv, I was thinking of going for a physical setup.
Now, I run a VoStrength Derv. (OgGjkyrM7QfbMXNXygvlAAAAxgA) (I usually fill the 2 optional's with Distracting blow, and Conviction)

My current Hero's are:
-ER Protter (OgNDwcrPS1C0C1DzE3EeENggRA)

-WE Scythe (OQoiExp8YX4rClmLzF6GUEAA)

-SS smite support (OANDY4xuS5BWCICVVJguEzDLEA)

please comment on this setup and all idea's and suggestions are welcome!

/I have to add, before this is becoming a *VoStrength Must Die* threat, I really like the skill and IMHO it is really under-rated.

IronSheik · Jan 30, 2010, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Lol vos, hope you don't bring any useful henchmen with conditions.

[VoW;OgGjwaps6ShbMXNXGFDYvlxgyg]

[SoS Support;OAOjQiisjOXzyJzEj5NXIzjLG]

[General curser/MoP here]

[Your favorite crapper hero here]

Yuna Matsumarui · Jan 30, 2010, 04:48 PM // 16:48

conditions such as Weakness own pve (HM), so it's not recommended to not bring them..
MM's with Death nova also own pve, but that spreads poison.

I like you idea of pewpew'ing shit but even with Discordway (which is pretty fast to kill individuals) it's useful to bring weakness for damage reduction on the enemies you aren't killing.

VoS is really underrated, but that's mostly because people don't play derv and if they do they play wounding strike or Reaper's Sweep. zVow for heroes..

therefore, I must admit that no conditions in HM sucks, and because you're basically forced to bring them for a quick win. if you bring conditions you're spoiling your elite skill.

also, you're running 12 (+?+?) Earth prayers, while not bringing conditions because you want to fuel VoS, while Earth Prayers is all about conditions.
(Veil of Thorns + Armor of Sanctity = derv tank?)

Sethellington · Jan 30, 2010, 05:15 PM // 17:15

As the others have been saying, you really can't afford to use VOS in PvE because it eliminates the chance to use conditions, which are vital in success! You're probably making the best use of your 3 pve only skill slots, but high energy attack chains are best and therefore zvow is probably your best best for an elite, unless you're really in need of a DW source...

Dantallion · Jan 30, 2010, 05:18 PM // 17:18

You guys are right, I really notice the lack of conditions in HM. Though I like the idea of zvow with high energy attack skills, should give sufficient damage output.

[Update] So I changed it to this (OgGjkyqLrRhbMXNXDYygvlBFxgA) kinda like the build IronSheik posted, 14SM, 12WP 7Myst

sonofthort · Jan 30, 2010, 07:36 PM // 19:36

For my sin I use a similar setup:

Me: attack spammer with "Save Yourselves!"

Necro: Curses spammer with splinter weapon (barbs, mark of pain, weaken armor, enfeeble blood, insert random elite)

Ele: ER prot

Monk: RoJ strength of honor

I usually bring an extra melee henchment to share in strength of honor's bounty, blood necro, healer, and one optional

IronSheik · Jan 31, 2010, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dantallion

You guys are right, I really notice the lack of conditions in HM. Though I like the idea of zvow with high energy attack skills, should give sufficient damage output.

[Update] So I changed it to this (OgGjkyqLrRhbMXNXDYygvlBFxgA) kinda like the build IronSheik posted, 14SM, 12WP 7Myst

Only reason I don't use wildblow is due to having two attack skills with no activation, which lowers attack speed a lot, if anything, drop chilling for wild, protectors usually does more dps than other two attacks simply due to recharge/speed.

With one no activating skill time, and three fast ones, you can pop out those 4 attacks in 2-3 seconds, every 4 seconds. Without an IAS.

khaderach19 · Feb 18, 2010, 12:54 PM // 12:54

If im helping out friends that need physicals i like to play with my ranger plus the three other ranger heroes. Either as thumpers or scythes with pets (all hearty polar bears). As the other guy to bring greater conflag. and we get 8 beefy tanks up front. Other guy will usually run discord with a N/P for anthem of weariness/envy/disruption/fallback. widespread weakness, interupts, disruption on 8 physical allies = leetsauce.

MercenaryKnight · Feb 19, 2010, 07:55 AM // 07:55

Start making spirit's strength ritualist/dervishes. High damage and an ias if you use weapon of aggression. Never really tried it to see if they run it intelligently at all. But it'd rival the damage of vow of strength.

MasterSasori · Feb 19, 2010, 08:55 AM // 08:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

Start making spirit's strength ritualist/dervishes. High damage and an ias if you use weapon of aggression. Never really tried it to see if they run it intelligently at all. But it'd rival the damage of vow of strength.

Spirit's Strength has a recharge of 10 days and enchant removal is everywhere in PvE. I'm sure there must be better options.

Tenebrae · Feb 19, 2010, 09:47 AM // 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Spirit's Strength has a recharge of 10 days and enchant removal is everywhere in PvE. I'm sure there must be better options.

Everywhere ? thats why 55`s have such a hard time farming

. Nah seriously , ench removal is not an issue and its easy to solve. I was reluctant to go melee or even take a bow with my rit but that dmg buff combined with an IAS is pretty funny sometimes and works well.
Sure there are better options , god its a rit , but is great to use it sometimes.

Nechrond · Feb 19, 2010, 02:32 PM // 14:32

Go for the Eyes!
It's sick with a scythe. When hitting multiple targets, it takes only 2 hits to charge it up, so you've got a nearly guaranteed crit every other strike(EDIT: and we all know crits are even better on scythes than on other weapons), plus it also helps the rest of your team.

MasterSasori · Feb 19, 2010, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Everywhere ? thats why 55`s have such a hard time farming

. Nah seriously , ench removal is not an issue and its easy to solve. I was reluctant to go melee or even take a bow with my rit but that dmg buff combined with an IAS is pretty funny sometimes and works well.
Sure there are better options , god its a rit , but is great to use it sometimes.

Fine EVERYWHERE is an overstatement, but it would seem that way when your SS gets stripped and you get to poke at monsters for squat for the next minute.